Even Doc Gooden, Dave Stieb, Bret Saberhagen, Orel Hershiser and David Cone. He was the second-best in 1981 and 1985. Through July 8 he had a 1.84 ERA. Dave Stieb. Vuckovich was perhaps the worst Cy Young selection of all time. That Stieb did this without ever finishing higher than fourth in the Cy Young voting is kind of amazing. Play-by-play data prior to 2002 was obtained free of charge from and is copyrighted I have always assumed—and I would bet that you have, too, if you were around then--that the rightful Cy Young winner would have been Mike Norris, who was 22-9 but with a much better strikeout to walk ratio (180 to 83), ERA (2.53) and ERA+ (149). And let me make this argument. I guess that era started with Steve Busby, who looked like a Hall of Fame pitcher from his late-season callup in 1972 until the end of June, 1975, but then invented the Rotator Cuff surgery. Dave Stieb's name is honoured by the Toronto Blue Jays in the Rogers Centre. Gaylord Perry, the Cy Young Award winner, is not rated as one of the ten best starting pitchers in the National League, either in my analysis or in Baseball Reference. Rick Reuschel. 1980 NL—Steve Carlton (Both Systems and Cy Young Award), 1981 AL—Steve McCatty (D-WAR) Vs. Bert Blyleven (R-WAR). Therefore, the number one tough-luck pitcher in baseball history would HAVE to be an outstanding pitcher. Stieb experienced a smaller improvement from age-21 to age-24, but then saw a Cahill-like jump going forward. Gift a Membership. For those of you not old enough to remember or too old to remember from day to day, 1981 was the season of Fernando Mania. Edwin Encarnación Over at FanGraphs, Craig Edwards wrote an interesting post about Semien, a player he believes could wind up as a great bargain addition. Fernando and Carlton were 1-2 in innings pitched and strikeouts, and tied for second in wins, one behind Seaver. Stieb certainly would win it now, the way we think about things now. He also pitched 30 more innings than Stone. [ 9 ] The system over-values strikeouts at least a little bit. After years of painful teasing, he finally threw a complete game no-hitter. Fangraphs gives Morris the edge 55.8 to 43.8 and Baseball Prospectus’s WARP stat credits Morris with 64.3 against Stieb’s 50.0. To have bad luck and stay in the majors required a great pitcher—like Ryan or Blyleven. Dave Stieb's name is honoured by the Toronto Blue Jays in the Rogers Centre. He pitched fewer innings than Stone (238), 46 fewer than Norris, with a strikeout to walk ratio of 133 to 63, ERA of 2.84, ERA+ of 143. Positions Util . There's a larger story to be told here. Well, here’s what I think. 2020 Updated In-Season Projections One of the more notable examples in recent years is the 2019 ZiPS projection for Shane Bieber.With a 4.55 career ERA (but a 3.23 FIP!) Dave Stieb's name is honoured by the Toronto Blue Jays in the Rogers Centre. My system makes the three best pitchers in the league Ryan, Scott and Welch, whereas Baseball Reference has Welch followed by another Dodger, Orel Hershiser, then Rick Sutcliffe, then Scott and then Ryan. The belief in won-lost records, through most of baseball history, was nearly absolute. Bedrosian won the Award although he got only 9 out of 24 first-place votes, and only a 48% vote share. By my method McCatty looks better than Blyleven in 1981, but Blyleven was a great pitcher and McCatty was not; he was a guy who had the at ‘em ball working for one season. The transaction and player splits data used here was obtained free of charge from and is copyrighted by Retrosheet. Roster% 8.06% Change 7Day 9.68% 30Day 16.13% MLB Stats Batting. Baseball Reference has Rogers just a hair ahead of Soto (7.7 to 7.5), so you couldn’t describe it as a real conflict in the methods. 1985 AL—Dave Stieb (D-WAR) Vs. Bret Saberhagen (R-WAR). Even Doc Gooden, Dave Stieb, Bret Saberhagen, Orel Hershiser and David Cone. By any method—this method, Baseball Reference WAR, Fangraphs WAR, whatever; it is just nearly impossible to know whether you have Nolan Ryan right or wrong. Dan Quisenberry was considered … Among Giolito’s top comparables were a multitude of youngish pitchers who were already stars and did have such performance bumps remaining: Greg Maddux, Jose Rijo, Dave Stieb, Brandon Webb, and so on. He pitched into the 9th inning against the Yankees on June 12, gave up two runs, one of those un-earned; the Blue Jays won it after he was out of the game. This led to a period in the 1980s when the Cy Young Award became the Lucky Bastard of the Year Award. I have tremendous respect for what Niekro was able to do at the age of 40, but I am also certain that, if you polled the 12 managers in the league, all 12 of them would rather have had J. R. Richard on the mound for a critical game than Phil Niekro. After the Tom Seaver era, in which the streets were full of Hall of Fame pitchers, there was an era in which everybody who looked like he was that good just somehow didn’t make it to the top. 2020 Updated In-Season Projections Stieb experienced a smaller improvement from age-21 to age-24, but then saw a Cahill-like jump going forward. . B-R says that Norris defensive support was outstanding (0.56 runs per nine innings, or 18 runs for the season) whereas Burns’ was poor (-.07 runs per nine innings, or negative a run and a half.) 1980 AL—Mike Norris (D-WAR) Vs. Britt Burns (R-WAR). Even starting from Stieb’s FIP of 3.82, there’s a hell of a long way to go to get up to 4.43, and a slightly good defense isn’t anywhere near enough to do it. 1 given his incredible career with the Blue Jays, but such is the nature of list-making. That he was a super-competitive person who did, sometimes, annoy his teammates. He pitched 9 innings giving up 2 runs, again against the Yankees, on July 3; again, the Blue Jays won it after he had left the game, by the same score—3-2 in 10 innings. Baseball Reference has Stieb with 7.7 WAR, Vuckovich with 2.8. Carlos Delgado 7%, 1942 votes. Dave Stieb and the One Hitters: Paul Goldschmidt STL 1B R $62 DTD: January 28, 2020 10:19 PM : Average to Mediocre : David Peralta ARI OF L $13 Christian Walker ARI 1B R $3: Dirty Gary Sanchez: Khris Davis OAK Util R $14 Kenta Maeda MIN SP/RP R $11: January 28, 2020 6:10 PM : The Soft Tossers: Khris Davis OAK Util R $14 Andrew Heaney LAA SP L $6 Donate to FanGraphs. Another three-way split. Fernando also threw 8 shutouts (!!) 1985 NL—Dwight Gooden (Both Systems and Cy Young Award). .it’s that fielding support thing. Carlton, given a season of poor run support, dropped off from 23-11 to 15-16, but remained in my judgment the #2 starting pitcher in the league; I have it Soto-Carlton-Denny, whereas in 1982 it was Soto-Carlton-Rogers. For the stats crowd: His 3.60 FIP and 3.4 Fangraphs WAR and 17.6% strikeout rate also made him Toronto’s clear No. Fernando was 13-7 with a 2.48 ERA; Carlton was 13-4 with a 2.42 ERA. I think Jack had a Cy Young vote, although I wouldn’t swear to that. .they were all fantastic for a year or two years or three years, but none of them adorn the Halls of Cooperstown. b)     Out of the respect for the lack of consensus, I will regard the contest as too close to call. There were peak seasons along the way but, much like Roy Halladay, what makes Stieb so impressive is how he sustained this success across a decade-plus of pitching. He finished second to John Denny in the Cy Young voting, and second in Baseball Reference WAR, with Carlton third. — FanGraphs Baseball (@fangraphs) January 19, 2021. All Win Expectancy, Leverage Index, Run Expectancy, and Fans Scouting Report data licenced from TangoTiger.com. Rarely had a pitcher gone such torture to achieve this goal. Ahhh. Stieb had a career BABIP against of .260 vs. AL average of .282, and the other pitchers on his teams had an aggregate BABIP of .278. Bit of a wild hair, isn’t it, B-R? 1. Sutcliffe, traded from Cleveland to the Cubs in mid-season, went 16-1 for the Cubs and won the Cy Young Award, with the 19-year-old Gooden second in the voting. Apparently it’s that "fielding support" thing again. On August 25 he pitched into the eighth inning at Minnesota, left the game leading 5-2; the bullpen blew it. Saberhagen had a better component ERA, and Saberhagen allowed only 4 earned runs, while Stieb allowed 16. In fact, this is the second straight start he’s come one out from a no-hitter, only to be denied. All major league baseball data including pitch type, velocity, batted ball location, Updated: Saturday, February 13, 2021 10:52 AM ET, Park Factors Even though many of these pitchers’ careers occurred before my time, the company they keep with CC and Verlander in the Hall of Sabermetrics tells me enough about their Hall-of-Fame worthiness. ..pretty comfortable with my choice, Nolan Ryan, as the best starting pitcher in the league. Major League and Minor League Baseball data provided by Major League Baseball. Stieb came back the next year and on April 10, 1989 – only his second start of the new year – threw yet another complete game one-hitter. I have it 8.3 to 3.7. 1979 AL—Dennis Eckersley (D-WAR) Vs. Jerry Koosman (R-WAR). Edwin Encarnación What I THINK has happened here is that the park’s run-suppressing characteristics are being double-counted as if they were also evidence of superior defense, thus adjusting twice for the park. Moving forward, only one pitcher saw a big improvement from age-25 on, Dave Stieb. Per the Fangraphs Library on Sample Size, swing rate stabilizes at 50 plate appearances, strikeout rate at 60, contact rate at 100, and walk rate at 120. A little of it would be Park Effects (86 for Oakland vs. 94 for Chicago; Norris was with Oakland and Burns with Chicago.) I worked Soto’s arbitration case following either the 1982 or 1983 season, don’t remember which, and got to spend a few hours with him helping to prepare the case. Born in Santa Ana, California , Stieb played varsity baseball at Southern Illinois University [1] as an outfielder. by Retrosheet. ... Fangraphs gives Morris two WAR in 1982, Wilcox 2.3. The starting pitchers split the vote, and the reliever won the Award, as relievers often did in that era. Jesse Jefferson’s nine-year career spent with five teams is best remembered for his being one of the original 1977 Blue Jays. My system likes Fernando a little bit better (7.8 to 7.2); Baseball Reference likes Carlton a little better (5.6 to 4.8), but I wouldn’t argue the point either way. Even Doc Gooden, Dave Stieb, Bret Saberhagen, Orel Hershiser and David Cone. Add Dave Stieb, Bret Saberhagen, David Cone, Rick Reuschel and Roger Clemens to the Hall of Fame and suddenly the 80s aren't so underrepresented. Wins Above Replacement data courtesy of Baseball-Reference.com. Avg Salary All Leagues $11.41 Last 10 adds $4.90 FanGraphs Points $11.33 Last 10 adds $4.50. Eckersley and Koosman are in a virtual tie in Baseball Reference WAR, and. Projections do go out on a limb, but in a conservative sort of way. Same number of un-earned runs, 7 each. I am going to put a link to your account on the front page. This time the Fates were less malicious: the single came in the fifth inning with one out by Yankee catcher Jaime Quirk. and play-by-play data provided by Sports Info Solutions. Hershiser allowed 15 un-earned runs, Nolan Ryan 10, so that’s not it. The Unluckiest Pitchers of All Time (Career List). While that may be true or may be false, I don’t know in retrospect that I would make that connection. According to WAR, Stieb was the best pitcher in the American League in 1982, 1983, and 1984. I don’t seriously think that Ryan could as easily as not have been 384-220. Stieb deserves consideration but Saberhagen deserves it more. Similar career path to Rijo—among the best pitchers in baseball for a short period of time, never got the recognition for it that he deserved. Dave Stieb and the One Hitters: Paul Goldschmidt STL 1B R $62 DTD: January 28, 2020 10:19 PM : Average to Mediocre : David Peralta ARI OF L $13 Christian Walker ARI 1B R $3: Dirty Gary Sanchez: Khris Davis OAK Util R $14 Kenta Maeda MIN SP/RP R $11: January 28, 2020 6:10 PM : The Soft Tossers: Khris Davis OAK Util R $14 Andrew Heaney LAA SP L $6 Odd symmetry, but those are the numbers; I didn’t make them up, Baseball Reference did. I can’t really understand how Fangraphs gets such a low WAR for Eckersley, who led the league in ERA+,  but, a)     Eckersley and Koosman are in a virtual tie in Baseball Reference WAR, and. 1 given his incredible career with the Blue Jays, but such is the nature of list-making. They thus give Burns a 20-win push for dealing with them lousy fielders, and this puts Burns in front. Tim Hudson, who won 222 games in his 17 years pitching Major League Baseball, is on the Baseball Writers Association of America (BBWAA) Hall of Fame ballot for the first time this month.Hudson is one of six pitchers who are on the BBWAA ballot for the first time. The contract, including options exercisable by the team, was for a term of ten years and specified a salary that increased to $1.9 million in 1993, $2 million in 1994, and $2.1 million in 1995. Roberto Alomar 33%, 9217 votes. Huh? Should mention Fernando there somewhere. [10] The contract, including options exercisable by the team, was for a term of ten years and specified a salary that increased to $1.9 million in 1993, $2 million in 1994, and $2.1 million in 1995. He left the mound after six innings with a 7-2 lead on April 13; the bullpen blew the game. The two things can both be true without being related. Can we call this one a draw? Baseball Reference has Niekro first, Rick Reuschel second, J.R. Richard third. Among Giolito’s top comparables were a multitude of youngish pitchers who were already stars and did have such performance bumps remaining: Greg Maddux, Jose Rijo, Dave Stieb, Brandon Webb, and so on. ... Roberto Alomar José Bautista Carlos Delgado Josh Donaldson Edwin Encarnación Tony Fernandez Roy Halladay Dave Stieb. Dave Stieb's name is honoured by the Toronto Blue Jays in the Rogers Centre. Dennis Eckersley was great for two or three years as a starter, then lost it as a starter, became a Hall of Fame reliever. His WAR (Baseball Reference) was 7.4, but his Wins Above Average were only 4.6. After having typically appeared in the hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have now been released at Out of the respect for the lack of consensus, I will regard the contest as too close to call. The statistics used were obtained free of charge from The Baseball Databank. The method shows Ryan as being twice as unlucky as any other pitcher. Clancy attended St. Rita of Cascia High School on the south side of Chicago and was drafted by the Texas Rangers in the fourth round of the 1974 MLB Draft.Clancy played rookie level baseball with the Rangers Gulf Coast League team, where he had a record of 3–3 with a 2.72 ERA in nine starts.. The statistics used were obtained free of charge from The Baseball Databank. Site Information. 2)     That he deserved more than one Cy Young Award, but never won one, 3)     That his run support was relatively poor over the course of his career, and. This is from memory, but I think he was Juan Marichal’s son-in-law, or maybe that was Juan Rijo. As a pitcher he was like Pedro, Marichal and Santana, in that he combined an outstanding fastball with a devastating changeup, and probably got most of his strikeouts with the changeup. 1979 NL—J. He and Jon Garland are actually the only two guys who saw improvement during both stages of their careers, and Garland barely improved both times. ©2021 Be Jolly, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Superstars in their mid-20s, on the other hand, frequently have another gear or two remaining. Anyway, Ryan was 8-16, 2.76 ERA. Higuera just seems like a goofy choice, frankly. So we can expect Rowdy’s new approach at the plate to continue next season. I’m skeptical of the method, but the proposition that Blyleven was better than McCatty is more reasonable than the proposition that Burns was better than Norris. 5th round: Dave Stieb 53.0, Pat Hentgen 31.2, Mike Young 22.2, ... Any reason why there seems to be a conflict between fangraphs and baseball-reference in regards to WAR? [11] Let’s be honest: central to the “Stieb is better than Morris” argument is that Stieb’s WAR was superior and thus he was a better pitcher. Site Information. We need your support to make FanGraphs sustainable so you can continue to enjoy all of the stats and tools you've come to rely on, like The Leaderboards. Josh Donaldson 2%, 521 votes. Carlos Delgado 7%, 1940 votes. Let’s chart the candidates again. [ 8 ] The contract, including options exercisable by the team, was for a term of ten years and specified a salary that increased to $1.9 million in 1993, $2 million in 1994, and $2.1 million in 1995. Nolan Ryan also scores, by my method, as the unluckiest pitcher in the study. Even though many of these pitchers’ careers occurred before my time, the company they keep with CC and Verlander in the Hall of Sabermetrics tells me enough about their Hall-of-Fame worthiness. 37: RHP Dave Stieb (1979-92, 1998) One of the all-time Blue Jays and one of the greatest pitchers of the 1980s, Stieb did it all. They thus take 10 runs away from McCatty, and give 10 runs to Blyleven. I don’t know if anybody else has ever won it with a 48% vote share. Wins Above Replacement data courtesy of Baseball-Reference.com. Doesn’t seem to be a SABR biography of him. The one-year Park Factors were 81 for Dodger Stadium, where Welch and Hershiser pitched, and 83 for the Astrodome, where Ryan and Scott worked. The contract, including options exercisable by the team, was for a term of ten years and specified a salary that increased to $1.9 million in 1993, $2 million in 1994, and $2.1 million in 1995. Steve Stone, riding great offensive support, went 25-7 despite otherwise modest numbers—a strikeout to walk ratio of 149-101, an ERA of 3.23, an ERA+ of 123. Even starting from Stieb’s FIP of 3.82, there’s a hell of a long way to go to get up to 4.43, and a slightly good defense isn’t anywhere near enough to do it. In 1985, Stieb signed with the Blue Jays what was then one of the richest contracts in baseball. José Bautista 10%, 2659 votes. Both Fangraphs and the Cy Young voters think that Flanagan was the best pitcher of the three. Even though many of these pitchers’ careers occurred before my time, the company they keep with CC and Verlander in the Hall of Sabermetrics tells me enough about their Hall-of-Fame worthiness. As I acknowledged in the comments about the 1977 American League best pitcher competition, Nolan Ryan is so much an outlier from the norms, so far away from the usual case, that it is difficult to say whether his value is or is not accurately reflected in the output. The season was interrupted by a strike, which cost us a third of a season. ... By Fangraphs WAR he was the third-best pitcher on his own staff. The park reduces the in-play average and the other run elements—but good defensive play also reduces the in-play average and the other run elements. It’s not un-earned runs; those were even at 8 apiece (Norris and Burns). He struck out 270 men in 211 innings, which was a more phenomenal thing then than it would be now. This is the first real challenge to Morris: Dave Stieb was a very good, and very underappreciated pitcher. Very, very similar to the 1982 season. Several of the best pitchers of the 80s ended up with shorter careers for some reason. Royals Stadium, as it was called then, was a little tougher place to pitch, a little better place to hit. He was only 18-13 but led the league in ERA (2.71) and strikeouts (313). Dave Stieb 56.5 30.7 122 81 2895.1 1979 1998 176 137 71 There's the rub. He and Jon Garland are actually the only two guys who saw improvement during both stages of their careers, and Garland barely improved both times. Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. This creates the possibility of confusion between the two. Win Shares reaches a comparable conclusion. There were eight pitchers mentioned in the Cy Young voting—seven starters, and Bedrosian. 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