ONLY ! That is because I have the allergy. Although patchouli isn't listed in the notes above, it's by far the most dominant (if not the single only) note in this fragrance. It obviously 'works' for some people, but for many it can be a trap. I think it's irresponsible of you to have posted an article that tells addicts ... 1) That abstinence has little or nothing to do with sobriety. A person is said to suffer from alcohol intoxication when the quantity of alcohol the person consumes produces behavioral or physical abnormalities. As a side note, AA members are also free to leave the program as they please, and in fact, are invited to try drinking again in moderation if they feel they can handle it. I really do. The first couple hours are "upscale Amen", or "refined and streamlined Amen". High quality cardamom and fleeting coffee, not very complex, but smell nice. The AA family truly believes he is the most loving, wonderful husband ever. We feel a man is unthinking when he says that sobriety is enough. Know what you're talking about prior to talking, basically. So if you want to buy Intoxicated as a better version of A*men I think you would be disappointed. Click here to reveal the Answer. A real shame as the smells are Lush and the packaging is Fab. Okay so I just received some samples from the Kilian boutique. I'm not even exaggerating that it lasted a week on me, and I got a bit sick of it, but I can see it being the right person's signature scent and really flattering on them. The perfume starts with strong pepper scent then it turns to 100% arabic coffee ( Cardamum ) it's pure strong cardamum.. and since here in my country we drink Arabic coffee all the time .. the scent is not that special at all.. not worth the price tag.. it's Nice though.. lacks the wow factor, I got a sample of Kilian's Intoxicated after reading some highly positive reviews of it in the community. I say alcohol and drug over use healing and issues. Although I’d argue that it’s more wearable than anything Mugler has done, this smells laughably close to A*Men—a scent that truly turns my stomach anytime I smell it. Intoxicated by By Kilian is a Aromatic Spicy fragrance for women and men. The dry downs between A men and Intoxicated are completely different. All I get is spices and personally I am missing something soothing and balming to embrace the notes and keep everything together (maybe that was the coffee note mission and since i do not detect it i am missing a significant part of the fragrance, who knows). One size does not fit all, and when the fit is wrong and hurts, it is time to acknowledge this problems and address them. The coffret/box that it comes in is so sharp, and it adds another dimension that justifies the price a little more, taking your money a little further. But to me, this fragrance turned out to be a big flop :-(. Again, on me it smells almost (i dare to say) banal and does not develop very much. AA is NOT the only kid on the block anymore and we are going to make sure the word gets about the TRUTH about AA, "The recovery movement's focus on, literally, nothing (abstinence) robs the addict—and all of us—of the meaning in life and of the best route to recovery." I worked the steps like a do gooder little AA er then I was of service in endless positions. at first, i'm taken by how 'high' the frankincense is. Intoxicated is an excellent work by Kilian I also love the winter fragrance since its steamy, smoky halo envelops you like a warm coat. I get a light spicy, sweet rose undertone but it's not listed. Once Kilian Intoxicated EDP has reached its full dry down, it can be summarized as a moderate projection, very sweet, coffee, cardamom, cinnamon, and nutmeg fragrance. Too manly for me, but wanted Mr. Cupcake to try it for him, as I may have liked it better on him. I wished this worked for me because it smells fantastic.. I mean there might be other notes here, but they only add body to the fragrance so that it appears heavier as a whole. But in the chapter “Into Action”, it goes into lengthy detail about the family being the PRIMARY area of concern and reparation. Case in point, Moderation Management which was started in 1994 by Audrey Kishline, a problem drinker, who did not identify with the disease theory of alcoholism (as presented in Alcoholics Anonymous and other addiction recovery twelve-step programs). I find it very disappointing that this article makes any reference to 12 Step programs. Because an external authority tells me that is what I am supposed to do? Either way, to me it just smells like stale coffee that's been in the cup and gone cold. Sweetened perhaps, but still... Softer, more refined A*men. I guess this works best on my boyfriend. Abstinence alone is considered simply "dry" in the 12 step culture, and is a way of proclaiming superiority to anyone who achieves substance non-use in any other way. :). out of I smell Incense on my skin.. I didn't smell intoxicated but as i trust the opinions on fragrantica and as its mentioned that this is almost a dead ringer to A*men i will never think about even ordering a sample but there is something annoying about people and i wanted to mention. If it works for you and if that's the kind of life you want for yourself, love your truth. That said, if you want to smell like a sexy spicy cup of coffee then this is all you need in this life. The steps allow people to find meaning, have an opportunity to set goals, have a sense of community where they can share there common struggles. Fragrance Reviews: 1029751 If there were a 3rd thing that bothers me, it would be someone asking me if I'm wearing Angel A*Men after spending $270. "Sobriety" is a word whose 12-step misuse now pervades our entire culture, along with ruining addiction treatment. The drydown does have a very appealing soapiness that feels almost like Orange Blossom to me. if you know anything about addiction or sobriety yourself, it is more than just putting the plug in the jug. Clearly, alcohol is a different matter than sex, food, or other basic necessity of life where moderation may in fact be a desired goal. Smells nothing Amen. It is unnecessary and unfair to criticize another program because philosophy on addiction are different. Yup, that is what this is! Whereas Amen is more brash and in your face especially in the opening. The youngest victim who suffered minor injuries was a 9-year-old, and the oldest person in their 30s suffered major head trauma. The driver floored it over 100mph trying to dodge the cop as … But more and more people are leaving aa for other programs that are much more inclusive of the fact that everyone's path to sobriety, and even their definition of that word, are intensely personal. First, you write, "By promoting the goal of addiction treatment to be ONLY the absence of something ... the 12 steps miss the most important part of recovering. This from researchers in the early 2000’s “early results suggest that, when used by people without a family history or risk of psychological problems, psychedelics can make us kinder, calmer and better at our jobs. The truth that millions have recovered by attending 12 step meetings and working the steps? Intoxicated is a botanical aromatic. and in your case, it’s a pretty glaring departure from direct AA literature imperatives. the drier it goes the soapier it becomes. They can help us solve problems more creatively and make us more open-minded and generous. 4.24 I really wish this scent worked on me but nothing I try helps it. The more you smell it the more you fall in love. I leave it to my beloved boyfriend. Very glad to have it in my collection. I don't like A*Men much. In a word, it smells like Christmas. Smells great but not worth the money in my opinion though due to the performance. Now say you are sorry to Dr. Peele and let's get on with the conversation if that's something you still care about. I like the cardamom, ginger, cinnamon. While it is not identical to A*Men, it is undoubtedly similar but it is much simpler which is not necessarily a bad thing and the coffee note is more prominent. Being a recovered alcoholic myself, I say if you can no longer drink without the help of AA then more power to you. RaJuR real deep kool on YouTube. Perfume rating But immediately on paper I knew intoxicated must be the A*men one. It talks about all the stuff one much do after stopping, in order to remain stopped. Capital Offense?? The final drydown after about 7 hours smelled like Tauer's L'Air du Desert Morocain on my skin- strange. I purchased a full size 50 mL bottle a little over half off as a retailer quit selling this specific one, as they apparently weren't selling enough. The inate qualities that were so pervasive while he consumed alcohol or any mind altering substance, are still there. One size does not fit all. But really, read it. Anywho, great scent even though I'm not too keen on sweets. Why would you suggest people change with they are HURT ENOUGH and HAVE TO, or when the LEARN ENOUGH AND WANT TO. Strange: I didn't know Kilian and was off because of word of mouth telling about Kilian vodka or brandy fragrances, which I am not a fan. intoxicated after the 5 first moments projects more coffee. Investigative Report: Trabuquera vs Kilian Intoxicated, on suspicion that it's a case of the Emperor's New Clothes. ANGEL! A new theory aims to make sense of it all. I'm gonna write this review as an infomercial. Moderation is not an option. (Notice this is not the permanent state of "being in recovery," another 12-step neologism that locks people forever in their addictions.). Obviously many people attribute their recovery from substance dependence to their involvement with the 12-Steps. This starts with a blast of cardamon that stays there for the whole life of the fragrance and then the coffe comes out, some spicies and a tonka-vanilla note. The truth that AA doesn't claim to be the only solution to alcoholism? And to make one more clarification, AA nor any other 12 step program are not affiliated with treatment facilities. This would be a pass for me based only on the fact that A*Men is about $200 cheaper for a larger bottle. Cheers! The opening is quite strong and to me reminiscent of an air freshener. Yea, this smells like A Men. Only for a while do they smell alike, then Intoxicated delves in an aromatic fragrance with fougere elements. It is a very strong perfume, one dab of a sample stick to my wrist was enough to get whiffs as I moved around, without trying. i recently knew about kilian and i hate myself for this. Then Carl-Gustav Jung and William James is O...oooOk, sometimes. Hearts are broken. So we clean house with the family, asking each morning in meditation that our Creator show us the way of patience, tolerance, kindliness and love. This fragrance smells like the best crepes. I get a more relaxed and refined opening and dry down then Amen. I’ve read it many times... and I just read it again. I was 13 stepped many times when I was 18 & 19. To my nose this is a ringer for A*Men. That could make the difference between life or death for someone who is sick. Success is success. Almost gourmand, but more so a creamy to velvety structure. We all are fighting our own battles, and who am I to tell anyone how to fight theirs. Recovery/remission is about maintaining focus and engagement in life. The same is true in neurochemistry's search for a pill to cure addiction, which actually means using a pill to stop using one or another substance. The goal for abstinence in any addiction is to stop the destructive behavior. A BIG downside too as it's not cheap. Unlike any other disease, alcoholism is one of loneliness, depravity, denial and distrust of others. No it does not smell like disgusting oversweet A*men, not even a longshot. Alcohol Intoxication. Intoxicated is similar to (but not the same as) Thierry Mugler A Men and Pure Coffee, but much less sweet. A*men is a different animal, very complex and a lot more interesting, and it’s more of a statement fragrance compared to Intoxicated. Sobriety, is from the Greek word sophrosune. Why does that piss you off. On my skin the coffee note is barely detectable, sigh. It is against the law to sell alcohol to an apparently intoxicated person or allow them to possess alcohol. Many reveiws already so no need to write more then that you need to smell it, on your own skin. The name truly fits because the scent is just as it says - intoxicating. http://lifeprocessprogram.com/terms-conditions/. And yet I'll never buy it because it's too linear. Besides that Stantons new book will replace the BB. AA's principle purpose AND Stanton Peele? The first is that, not only does it mirror Angel A*Men but it is an improved formula. I agree with CobraCommander. Musk's personal wealth has been boosted by last year's more than eight-fold surge in the shares of Tesla, which became the … I bought a big bottle so I was really upset and kept trying to wear it hoping it changes after suffering through the first hour... nope it still stinks! How dare you contemplate that there is more to life than black and white thinking, outside the box thought, yes and no answers. How to Recognize Dark Triad Personality Traits. This is what works for me though, and it very well may not work for someone else. Not worth the price. This is another recent Kilian acquisition. I was pleasantly surprised by this. take the cotton out of your ear and stick it in your mouth)not only doesn't work, but it is the cause of most resistance and what so many call 'denial'. You should also read Diary Of A Dope Fiend by Aleister Crowley and note the similarities in content and style. It's not bad, but there is nothing that makes me want to buy it either. It starts off with a bug spray vibe (not attractive) and I think this is the point where people get that angel men similarity. So why are you dumping on us for offering something other than what worked for you? Read your Big Book and authored by a plagiarizing (Oxford Group, first century Christian spiritualists and only for men), womanizing con artist who spent his dying days tripping his balls off on LSD (I’ve nothing against LSD). There are a few reviews down below that claim that A*Men is different, but honestly, it could be the same juice inside both bottles. That's it. Right there is the very hypocrisy that is AA. But it turns out intoxicated is heavy on the cardamom. There are many ways up the mountain. In 12-step speak, sobriety means never taking any consciousness-altering substance, ever. In March 2000 she drove her truck the wrong way down a highway, and hit another vehicle head-on killing its two passengers (a father and his 12-year-old daughter). It's also worth mentioning that the bottle itself is very high quality and feels special. The only difference is Kilian uses better ingredients but you won't notice this unless you're a true connoisseur, This continues to dry down to a patchouli on me......like "This Is Not A Blue Bottle" I just recently wore. All I get is a very green cardamom which sadly turns a bit sour on my skin. I love cardamom when it's done right. The one thing I will say is that I can definitely smell the quality in this scent. What really surprises me, is the fact no one mentioned 'Ginger' as a main ingredient in this perfume. I find it incredible what interpretation can be derived from words on a page. In my practice I have seen people recover with just our one on one therapy sessions drawing on Motivational Interviewing, CBT, ACT and REBT, and many have benefitted from support groups, including AA and NA, but also including SMART Recovery, Moderation Management (obviously not for everyone), Women for Sobriety, SOS and LifeRing Secular Recovery, HAMS. It's a lovely smell that is perfect for today's first snow of the season. the only same note between then is caramel in the opening. If you're familiar with the 12 steps, only the first mentions alcohol. And not just your book, the science-based books that tell us what research has found - for instance confrontation (e.g. I am going to have to agree and say this is Angel Men all the way. Look up "opiant pharmaceuticals" and "Pavlok" wearable. I find it interesting that although Dr. Peele recognizes AA has been successful at treating alcohol addiction in millions, he subtly markets his recovery methods as an alternative to AA and in opposition to its principles. As a woman, I thought I will never be able to pull this off. I really Love this Scent and the whole packaging etc. A.A. saved my life. But I like it! For the record, I am a 6 year-removed A.A. expat, who has since used harm reduction methods to come to terms with my problem drinking, by way of complete abstinence. Why Is Abstinence the Best Choice for Addiction? First impression yesterday was a milder, spicier (with greenish spices) A*Men, for eight times the price, with a cola-ish drydown, so, considering how close it is to A*Men, nothing original. In January 2000 Kishline posted a message to an official MM email list stating that she had concluded her best drinking goal was abstinence and that she would begin attending Alcoholics Anonymous, SMART Recovery and Women For Sobriety meetings while continuing to support MM for others. People die and I have been to several funerals. Intoxicated is quite simply a smoother, more refined, and more palatable version of Angel Men. The times they are a changing! Alex Wodak, 2007. So, while the cutting edge of addiction theory and practice recognizes that purpose is the solution for addiction, the 12 steps and neurochemistry lock our minds on nothingness. I am not the biggest fan of his creations but this is a intoxicating one. Step 2 ends, "could restore us to sanity". It smells like you are in the best brunch spot in town where people book reservations weeks in advance and the chef just brought you his best gourmet crepes. No thanks. 7 - George Vaillant (1983 / 1995), * "abstinence" is not an option, nor is a moster in Loch Ness. Then, it hit me! It's sad that they can't do this out loud at meetings without being attacked (without recourse to reply as there is no 'cross talk') by ever speaker to follow. | Deutsch | Español | Français | Italiano | Русский | Polski | Português | Ελληνικά | 汉语 | Nederlands | Srpski | Română | العربية | Українська | Монгол | עברית | Luxois Watches | 2 - EM Jellinek (1960) Guys if you dismiss trying this because the reviews say it smells like A men (resemblance in first 3 minutes) that would be a mistake. Archetypal bad boy scent. You will have been considered to have read and understood these disclaimers when you have enrolled in the Life Process Program. http://networketiquette.net/core_rules_do_not_use_all_caps.html. I’m with you on the LSD, it’s still used to help certain people with some medical issues, it’s makes some happier. I knew a guy in his early 20's who ran a red light while intoxicated, a cop saw it and chased him. I've seen so many people shamed, bullied and berated by aaers, especially online, for choosing other paths it makes my stomach turn. I'd suggest people study the source material that Bill Wilson used and was influenced by, as well as the *actual* AA literature...as opposed to the cultural myths and customs that have grown up in aa as a direct result of the rehab industry's meddling... Before they start leveling accusations and indictments. ... Peele is not only a psychologist of distinction, but someone who can make use of sociological and biological ideas. Longlasting and verry nice projection. This program works for those who want it, bottom line. Affections have been uprooted. Therefore, I will not assume that you have the propensity to be a jack*** and yell at people that you don't know online, but rather you are unfamiliar with what is acceptable in terms of communication online. Maybe I would like Amen more as it sounds like the patchouli would compensate the sweets a bit? Get the help you need from a therapist near you–a FREE service from Psychology Today. How dare you suggest that people overcome addiction out of purpose-based motivation—they quit when they recognize how their habit violates who they were (believe they can do it), what they want to be (purpose), where they want to go in life (faith in self). It evolves into a very suave, sophisticated and alluring fragrance. Alaska Stat. So by God I will go to any means to make sure this never happens again. My favorite fragance by kilian. To say that the 12-Steps is not the only way is not an attack, and having a law degree, a psychology degree and a way with words does not make someone ignorant. There is no one size fits all like aa would like you to think. This one seems to be smoother and more natural smelling yet very sweet, I find A*men to be too sweet and overpowering. 3 sprays of this goes away faster than 1 spray of 95% of all other perfumes that i have tried. I love this perfume. It will take a few more wears to get a complete picture. I know what works for me. He is (always was) the most self centered person I’ve ever known. ... Are you yourself Doctor, in recovery?